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The truth about AV [Apr. 21st, 2011|03:41 pm]
Kristen
There is so much mud-slinging and misinformation being thrown around about AV, it is really sickening.  So, I thought I would do a post that was about the genuine pro's and con's of the electoral systems on offer at the May 5th referendum. 

I admit that I am planning to vote yes to AV, but I am trying not to be biased here.  I am also not going to discuss any other electoral systems (e.g. PR), as they are not being voted on in this referendum. 


AV
+ vastly reduces tactical voting
+ works with multi-party ballots (and can still work for two-party ballots)
+ need a majority of (non-exhausted) votes to win
[EDIT - debunked, see below] can take longer to count, especially in marginal constituencies (may not get some results for a few days)
? can lead to more hung parliaments (I'm not sure that this is a con if it representative of the population's views - isn't that more democratic?)

 
FPTP
[EDIT] + faster to count (get all the results on the night)
- similar candidates split the vote, leading to tactical voting being very prominent
- less than third of MPs in the 2010 UK election had 50% of the votes (data from here:http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/may/07/uk-election-results-data-candidates-seats#data
? less likely to result in hung parlianments (not sure this is a pro, isn't it less democratic)

Please add more points and corrections in the comments!!!

Also, here are some common claims from these campaigns that are wrong:

Did AV lead to compulsory voting in Australia due to reduced turnout? No
Antony Green has a really good post about this here: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/03/no-link-between-alternative-vote-and-compulsory-voting-in-australia.html

Will electronic vote counting machines be needed under AV? No
Australia doesn't need them, so why would the UK? (http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/03/does-australia-use-counting-machines-to-count-the-alternative-vote.html)

AV is too complex
I find this one really insulting.  Ok, the explanantion takes a paragraph, not a sound bite, but it really isn't that complicated!  I like this: http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/67427/1302893882/AV.jpg

AV is why Australia doesn't get results on the night of the election
Thanks to puzzlingspiv  for this link: http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/04/a-summary-of-the-misrepresentations-of-australias-voting-system.html

If you have any others, please comment and I will add them!
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Comments:
From: puzzlingspiv
2011-04-22 12:30 am (UTC)
Actually, Antony Green also points out that it's not much slower to count. The reason why Australia takes so long to get its results in marginal seats are to do with other rules: waiting 7 days for the last of the postal ballots to arrive, and because we allow absent voting, that sort of thing. AIUI the UK proposal wouldn't affect anything like that, so all the votes would be ready for counting on the night, and so you'd expect them to be counted about as fast as they are now.

Antony Green has a great summary post at <http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2011/04/a-summary-of-the-misrepresentations-of-australias-voting-system.html>.
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[User Picture]From: thebluefairy
2011-04-28 09:58 am (UTC)
Thanks!
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